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female vs male power fantasy + sexism

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Postby Double King on Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:12 pm


jenskot wrote:Does anyone disagree with…

> Female power fantasy & feminism are not the same thing.


Still largely depends on how you're defining things. you can make oblique statements for or con with regard to this point. for instance, you could make a counter-argument that Feminism, though benignly utopic, often manifests as vitriolic punishment rather than seeking baseline equality: making it sexist and power-tripping. The most ardent Feminist might enjoy kicking back after a long day of ditch digging with a Silver Age Hulk comic in order to recharge the batteries of the ole misandry, as surely some masochistic lady power fantasists like to top from the bottom.
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Postby jzn on Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:29 pm


> Can you have a successful ongoing superhero comic without power fantasy?

There are some comics that include superpowers but with a very low focus on "FEAR MY POWER". Off the top of my head, Alan Moore's Top 10, or Bob Burden's Mystery Men might qualify!
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Postby jenskot on Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:35 pm


This is probably a different topic but I’m not personally comfortable with universally redefining terms like sexism and racism to fit a specific agenda. I find it manipulative, although in this case for a good cause.

I’ve been part of different activist organizations fighting against racism, sexism, war, poverty and I’ve seen this creep in from time to time. Redefining language is often a technique use by oppressors. I don’t want to resort to that tactic even if it is for a benevolent purpose.

Prejudice can be any form of bias. Racism and sexism are specific forms or prejudice. And you can continue to further break these down. For example, there is systemic racism, cultural racism, racism against minorities, racism against majorities, racism between minorities and on and on.

I don’t understand why someone would take a sub category of something and use it as the definition for the entire category. It’s a distortion. And it leads to confusion. I’ve been a part of activist groups that did this and declared that blacks can not be racist. Even blacks in power wielding it over other blacks in other countries not dominated by whites can’t be racism. That sounds very much like a white perspective. Further, a very American perspective. It doesn’t translate across the board.
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Postby jenskot on Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:42 pm


Female power fantasy and feminism in my opinion can overlap. You could have a power fantasy where the main character leads a revolution that ends with building a feminist society.

But feminism at its baseline is about advocating equal rights. There is plenty of female power fantasy that very much does not advocate equal rights. But if a feminist doesn't advocate equal rights, they aren't a feminist.
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Postby Double King on Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:47 pm


i think the question is more of defining terms rather than redefining them. if a question predicates that Feminism agrees on x then i need to know what Feminism is. I've seen a handful of different articulations of Feminist agenda and very few of them have agreed.

is there a difference in power fantasy? the debate has been on gender bias. the form it takes in specific books would take a gender bias but largely the base of powerlessness and domination are evident in both sexes.
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Postby jenskot on Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:14 pm


In all the different groups I've been a part of or helped in some way, feminism is always a movement whose goal is equal rights for women (which implies equal rights for men and women). But with any large movement, you are going to have variations. Some feminists are anti-pornography some are for. Some encourage men to join the movement and call themselves femnists some say men can't be feminists. It all depends on the specific movement. Even specific movements don't stay static and constantly change. But regardless of these sub-groups, feminism is about equal rights for women.

I've met many people who want to make their sub-group the universal definition for the entire category. But a vocal minority doesn't make a majority.
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Postby jzn on Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:20 pm


I agree that it isn't a question of redefining, but defining. Racism used to mean something very different than it does now. It used to specifically mean subscribing to the opinion that one race is superior to another. Now it is leveled at anybody who so much as thinks that mostly white people like Billy Joel. The origins of the term "Sexism" are less clear to me, but I'm assuming it was derived from "Racism". I'm looking into it.
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